Religion is Bullshit Blog: Evolution in Five minutes

"I have actually been called stupid for apparently believing that one day a monkey gave birth to a human"

Hoory for false choices - the primary debating tool of dishonest lie-pushers and witless nincompoops.

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Thanks for the linkage. Oh, and this might please you:
http://www.bloggerheads.com/x-archive.asp?viewblog=20020327&date=27/03/02

See the entry @ 16:45

Tim Ireland, 05.02.2008, 12:12am #

Tim:
what I can't accept about evolution is how my ancestor could be anything other than a human being.
It just doesn't make sense to me.
No evolutionist has ever explained how this could happen.

RHF, 07.02.2008, 12:01am #

RHF - "what I can't accept" ... "doesn't make sense to me " - perhaps you should look up the phrase "argument from personal incredulity".

Tim, 07.02.2008, 2:32pm #

Where is the non-human in your family tree? Which descendant is a non-human? If you go back n generations in your family tree you will find humans, not "monkeys". Evolution makes no sense. Creationism does.

RHF, 09.02.2008, 7:49pm #

Tim: perhaps you should look up a mathematical concept of proof by induction.
My conjecture: humans can only reproduce humans. Humans can only descend from humans.
My conjecture is proved by induction.
What about yours?

RHF, 09.02.2008, 7:50pm #

Thanks for the brilliant website you've got going here.
I find it to believe anyone could to deny that Evolution has at least some aspect of truth.
The physical and mental similarities we have to monkeys (and many other species) are plentiful.
We are animals, we need the same things to function as any other species.
We need to eat, we need to sleep, we need to mate...
If god had favoured us you would think he would have done something to seperate us from the animal kingdom?
These indoctrinated evangelicals just prefer a pleasent lie rather than something they consider to be insulting - the fact that they're no more than animals with a surprisingly developed organ.

In reply to RHF - "If you go back n generations in your family tree you will find humans, not monkeys"

Trace your family back a million generations. I don't think you'll find it on any website.

Snuzz, 09.02.2008, 11:35pm #

Can I just add, we have seen viruses and bacteria evolve in order to infect or reproduce more efficiently, which is essentially proof that evolution (at least on a small scale) can take place, because we are basically made up of bacteria.

Snuzz, 09.02.2008, 11:41pm #

Snuzz, small scale (micro) evolution is certainly a proven fact (isn't that phrase a tautology?) and long scale (macro) evolution is pretty much the same thing just over a much longer timescale - the thing that RHF clearly doesn't get, hence his ridiculous family tree analogy. I wouldn't bother getting drawn into any debate with him though, he has the dubious honour of resident troll at this site.

Tim, 10.02.2008, 2:08pm #

I couldn't help but notice that some of the comments help you make your point. I agree with your points especially the human difficulty in conceiving long periods of time (geologic time). I also think part of the problem with people's failure to see the logic in evolution is out of pure arrogance. There are many examples of how we put our species ahead of all others. One example would be in that humans defined "intelligence" and of course who comes out on top. That the air is the perfect combination of oxygen and nitrogen, that the climate is perfect for growing food that we eat all seeming to perfect for evolution may be born out of the idea of perfect things for the elite species. If we see ourselves as the most intelligent beings anywhere then this must certainly mean that some humanistic figure created it all for us. Nothing else is intelligent enough, right? Not necessarily. It woule be downright arrogant of me to think that way and boy would I have so little knowledge with such a closed mind.

Dan, 11.02.2008, 8:23pm #

The problem Tim is that those peksy intermediate species do not exist, and you know that. Gee Tim, isn't that too bad?

Million of years does not compensate for low probability events.
Resident troll? Is that all you've got Tim? You have to do better than that if you want to piss me off.
I'm always amused when an arrogant idiot brit thinks there so smart.
Especially someone like yourself who has no credentials.

Lovely night in Paris, much nicer city than London.

RHF, 20.04.2008, 12:09am #

RHF,

Please understand that the concept that is "evolution" does not require every intermediate species to exist today - in the here and now.
The idea of "the theory of evolution" (vs creationism) is that since a species can change over time, and (given enough physical space) can "go" in different directions, it's more likely that all animal life on Earth shares a common ancestor. Again, millions of years.

That species change is no secret, and that traits are passed between generations is undeniable. Viruses change over time, human life spans are greater than they were, dogs are "bred" for certain qualities - we use this to our advantage.

In a small population, an evolutionary advantage means that you can live where others die. For example, the frog with a more lightly colored belly lives because he's harder to see while swimming on the surface, while his darker bellied brother dies.
The one that lives gets to have children, and those children are likely to have similar traits. Thus, in a small population, the strong traits get passed on.

Now is when you revert back to "show me where a monkey can give birth to a human".

The reason that no one can answer it is that it demonstrates a clear lack of knowledge about that which you're arguing, and we feel we must first be sure that you're aware of the concept of evolution.

In a way, we can show you an intermediate species - and you've seen such, many times if you've bothered to listen to any scientific discoveries regarding the topic. Neanderthals, for instance.

In order to "show you an intermediate species" as a live sample, we need a time machine. Modern humans have taken the place.

Naturally, no monkey gave birth to a human. This doesn't go "against evolution" as you might be tempted to think. This actually fits right in. You see, the theory is that at some point in history, modern apes (monkeys are even further back on our huge huge tree) and modern humans have a common ancestor.

If it's hard to swallow, make sure it's not your pride that you're having a problem with. I think "pride" is one of the deadly sins anyway, so it's good advice even if I didn't convince you here, today.

If I'm to make my own argument from personal incredulity, then it would be "I find it confounding that people could possibly imagine that a being purposefully created each and every one of the billions and billions (and billions) of galaxies, with a mind boggling number of stars, each containing their own planets, would also care
to 'listen' to you pray about the food you eat."

justin, 02.05.2008, 9:13pm #

"what I can't accept about evolution is how my ancestor could be anything other than a human being"

Evolution is the idea that animals change. Animals do change, that is a FACT.

Okay, I will give you one example. In 1986 Chernobyl was the worst nuclear accident in history. A few years ago a robot went down there. It found and brought back a black sludge, this was odd, because it looked like some type of mold. Low and behold, it was BACTERIA. This baffled scientists, biologists, ect.

They examined the mold. Here is a summary of what they found. The bacteria absorbed Gamma Rays similar to how plants absorb light for photosynthesis.

Gamma Ray bacteria has never been found anywhere else. In less than 20 years an organism adapted to its environment and CHANGED.

So if a cell can go from not absorbing Gamma Rays to absorbing Gamma Rays in less than 20 years, why is the idea that "well over millions of years, my ancestors may have looked a hell of a lot differently than I did so absurd?

Bridger, 31.05.2008, 6:05am #

"Million of years does not compensate for low probability events."

Yes it can.

In the Neutron Research Center at NIST, they know there is only a 1 / 1*10^6 chance of getting a Neutron to go where they want it to go. So that's a 1 out of 1 million chance. So what do they do, they use 10^14 Neutrons and get 10^8 Neutrons to go where they want them to go.

Unlikely events do happen given a long enough time scale.

Bridger, 31.05.2008, 6:17am #

Unlikely events do happen given enough time. I agree with this 100%. Given an infinite space and time, any event no matter how low the probability, will occur not just once, but an infinite number of times.
The problem with evolution is the time line. Is a few bilion years enough time to generate the correct sequence of amino acids, building blocks of RNA and DNA? If not, add a few more billion years.
Face it, the evidence for evolution is weak.
I used to be an atheist so I know all your arguments.
I'll take a talking donkey, virgin birth, and a resurection of a human being over the magical development of complex beings like humans from ameoba's etc..

Take it easy Tim. Hope everything is well in London. Much nicer here in Paris. Come by and visit sometime.

During the "real" football season in the US, come and visit me in San Diego.
I'll be heading back to San Diego in two weeks.

RHF, 28.06.2008, 4:09pm #

heavy christians are the most ignorant, arragont, stupid, and oblivious people i have ever met, i will never understand how anybody can be so foolish as to devote their lives to 'god' its all bollocks. and whoever made this website would be my god if i believe there was one! good on ya mate

Tom P, 04.07.2008, 8:13pm #

Tom P, please don't post after spending the night at the pub you arrogant brit.
Evolution is so obvious! How can anyone believe that humans evolved from lower forms.

Good on you too mate!!!

Down a few pints for me.

RHF, 12.07.2008, 5:16pm #

As a guy with agnostic leanings, and I use that label only for clarity, I find it strange that everyone on this thread is so certain of their own position over the other. To take an over used analogy it's like two fleas arguing the nature of the dog they're on, both dead certian he/she has it figured out. I humbly submit for your consideration the notion that in the abscence of both a unified scientific theory, and an appearance of God in...well anywhere, neither arguement can be "known" with absolute certainty.

To a creationist I would say let the evidence speak. As I understand it the fossil record now has intermediate spedies, not just with humans, but animals also. In any event, who are we to assume, a word I associate with faith and belief, that God didn't choose the evolutinary process. If we assume that a being created time and space, it must exist outside of it. What's a few billion years between projects?

To an evolutionist I would ask who pushed the big bang button? If you read "A Breifer History of Time" by Steven Hawking you will find him saying that there is nothing that points to events before the big bang,and even he asks who pushed the button?

In my view, I don't think the positions taken here are mutually exclusive. For anyone interested, Francis Collins, lead genetisist for the Human Genome Project has written a book entitled "The Language of God" which delves into some of the above issues without much bias' a fascinating read.

RottenRobbie, 02.10.2008, 1:58am #

is RHF serious?

I have been reading this site for a couple of hours now and every comment you've contributed has just shown us how ignorant, stupid and pathetic religious people can be.

In not one comment have I seen the OP make a personal insult about your origin, but you have. How is this relevant at all, and how does it give you any kind of grounds for an arguement against evolution?

Your stupidity blows me away...

Samantha, 05.11.2008, 8:15am #

If we was created by a god so many billions of years ago how would humans have survived the meteor that made dinosaurs extinct? What you must remember however is this meteor has been proven to be the main cause of the dinosaur's extinction. We would have been here before the dinosaurs even yet how could our small fragile human bodies possibly survive such a catastrophic event? We would have been wiped out just as fast as the dinosaurs if not faster. However for all you evolutionist out there if we evolved from apes and Adam and Eve was the first humans made, how is it possible that we evolved from them. That would make the evolution man, monkey, man. It could be possible that primates had evolved from humans to better co-exist with there surroundings after the meteor stuck, resulting in another million years or so we started evolving back into humans due to a major shift in the environment .

Slayer, 01.12.2008, 6:32am #

I agree with slayer...But with one thing to add if we where before the dinosaurs...how could we possibly survived them????

LovelyRose, 03.12.2008, 8:40am #

who's to say when adam and eve were here anyway? they could have been the first caveman and cave woman. explain the ice age i want to hear someone explain the ice age and where the cavemen came from.

jeremy, 25.12.2008, 3:45pm #

If you wish to talk about "evidence credibility", where you put the bible against fossil finds, you might want to think about the credibility of the bible itself.

Dozens of websites make un of the bible by showing its self-contradictory statements; where the bible says one thing in this part and says the otherwise in a different part of the bible. People even make a "101 contradictions in the bible"-entitled blog just for fun.

Another fun thing about the bible being the source of knowledge for christianity is that believers choose to believe those logically and (what they believe to be) morally acceptable, and disbelieve other writings in the bible because they said that times have changed and it is no longer relevant.

If the bible contradicts itself and becomes irrelevant over time, how can christians argue that creationism is "science" if it doesn't remain the same? How can the source of christian knowledge be ratified if the contents of the bible itself argues with itself?

Christianity is very similar to the faith of Pastafarianism.

Christian Citations, 27.01.2009, 1:11am #

Okay, suckers, let's get this straight:

evolution is myth. simple as that.

Evolution is a theory, NOT a fact! It always amazes me how many gullible idiots still believes that shit about evolution.

You guys are clearly mentally ill if you believe in evolution.

Darwin was just an old idiot who was fucked in the head, btw.

I believe in God, and there's nothing, absolutely nothing, that will cnahce that.

So go and fuck your evoluton in the ass.

Fuck evolution, 14.02.2009, 7:36pm #

Hey, "fuck evolution", try providing some evidence to back up your "theory". I'll go through your arguments anyways, to point out how you're wrong. You're correct that evolution is a "theory", but that just means it hasn't been proved yet. It does have overwhelming evidence to show it has a basis, though.
If evolution is a myth, then why is there so much proof of micro evolution? Almost all of virology depends on what we know about micro evolution.
You're pretty mentally ill to start cussing because we disagree with you, by the way.
If Darwin was "an old idiot", then how come all his stuff about "random mutations" etc was backed up almost entirely (99%) when we discovered DNA and RNA?
Now, you're saying "I believe in god, and theres nothing, absolutely nothing, that will "cnahce" that. I'm assuming "cnahce" means change. If so, that just shows how closed-minded you are.

So go fuck christianity in the ass, and at least try to give some sort of facts to back up your statements.

" we was created by a god so many billions of years ago how would humans have survived the meteor that made dinosaurs extinct? What you must remember however is this meteor has been proven to be the main cause of the dinosaur's extinction. We would have been here before the dinosaurs even yet how could our small fragile human bodies possibly survive such a catastrophic event? We would have been wiped out just as fast as the dinosaurs if not faster. However for all you evolutionist out there if we evolved from apes and Adam and Eve was the first humans made, how is it possible that we evolved from them. That would make the evolution man, monkey, man. It could be possible that primates had evolved from humans to better co-exist with there surroundings after the meteor stuck, resulting in another million years or so we started evolving back into humans due to a major shift in the environment ."
Evolution 101:
We weren't around when dinosaurs were still alive. We evolved from the earliest mammals, who survived the "holocaust" because they were small, and lived in burrows, where they were safe. As soon as the dust clouds blocking out sunlight disappeared, there were no large animals around, and the the majority of animals were all mammals.
Result:
The early mammals were a bit like rabbits. Use your imagination and figure out what happened then (mass breeding, evolution did the rest). You really should watch "walking with dinosaurs".

Now, since you all seem to have failed science, can everyone post how old they are, what grade they're in (K - 12, uni?) and [optional] their approximate IQ?
Seriously, be honest. If you say you're in year 12, and you don't know year 8 work, it'll prove you're a liar.

That said:
I'm in year 10, I'm 15, and my IQ is around 130.
If you don't know your IQ, google "free IQ test", and click any of the first 5 links. Easy as pie.

Numerous, 15.02.2009, 12:21am #

im kinda skeptical about the theory of evolution, and i think at the very least it has flaws. However, I do not believe in a god at all. I'd probably be able to have a more firm opinion on evolution if youtube hadn't removed the video due to a "terms of use" violation...

chandler, 17.02.2009, 3:18am #

Yea, life's a bitch, death's worse.
HELP:
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_type=&search_query=evolution+in+action&aq=f
asy as pie, right? Not the same, but you get the idea.

Anyways, doubt's good. It makes you question the basis of your "theory" of whatever the hell you're thinking about. What're your doubts? I probably have a link to proof/facts backing up theory in question, if it's to do with evolution...
Faith = ignoring doubt, and not questioning the basis of the religion in question, so I'm not exactly going to support any religion that tells you to have "faith".

Numer0us, 17.02.2009, 8:35am #

I love how the human mind will deny what is logical and fabricate a story about the tooth fairy because of this need to explain everything and tuck it all into a nice, neat, package. Examples of evolution are so wide spread and pronounced ... the science is really pretty strong supporting evolution. Evolution occurs because mutuations, or ever-so-slight changes can and do occur from generation to generation. If a mutation occurs that expresses a trait that provides an intellectual or physical advantage, then that trait will more than likely be passed to the next generation and so on, as that trait might enhance survivability. As eons pass, these changes would be more pronounced species-wide as the entire species would share the genetic changes that shape the species to endure and prosper in their environment due to the trait being passed down. Over millions of years the changes would seem dramatic. The problem with evolution non-believers is that they seem to fail to comprehend just how long of a period of time that a million years, much less a billion years is. If people want to wallow in their ignorance and deny the science, that is fine with me, however, don't ram your misguided belief system down my throat please. I have managed to co-exist with fundamentalist religious freaks my entire life. Leave me alone and I'll leave you alone ... just don't expect me to drink your Kool-Aid. Thanks -- that felt good!

Mike, 25.06.2009, 3:26am #

Mike, the problem is that while people who believe in said fabricated stories (eg young-earth-creationists) is that even if they aren't trying to shove their "kool-aid" down your throat, they still do influence your life, especially in high numbers. For example, they vote. And if 80% of people vote for someone who shares those fabricated views (including homophobia), they might just be able to shove that "kool-aid" down your throat by force.
If they believe that stuff literally, and they're as extremist as some people say they are, you can't co-exist with them.

Numerous, 25.06.2009, 6:52am #

Numerous = Brother Jeff. Come on Jeff, come clean, I know it's you and your not fooling anyone.
Numerous (fumerous), stop shoving your atheist fundamentalism at me and other christians.
Glad you believe in the fabricated story of evolution. Good job, take your koolaid and shove it.

REV_HOLY_FIRE, 02.07.2009, 1:06am #

Atheism is a non-prophet religion.
What do you think fumerous.

REV_HOLY_FIRE, 02.07.2009, 1:08am #

Hey REV_HOLY_FIRE ... such a Christian attitude! A good Christian would respond much more gracefully when their belief system is challenged. Please get over the fact that not every human brain out there is going to be as suggestible as you would like. Evolution is science. Look into what science is please. It's not a cult. Generally the people of science aren't going join a cult and then chant "one of us, one of us, one of us" over and over again. Some of us live in the real world. REV_HOLY_FIRE, you should look into Buddhism. It makes more sense in helping form the moral compass that should be a by-product of true faith. Start here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism. I hope that sets you on the path to enlightenment. I'm not a Buddhist, however, if religion was mandatory and you were forced to be programmed with a non-scientific belief system, this would be the one that makes the most sense to me. That, or as George Carlin said, "I worship the Sun or Joe Pesci because he looks like he can get things done". By the way, I am a "white-bread" midwestern American. I've grown up around many denominations and levels of Christianity and I've always been a little creeped out by the glassy-eyed, cult-like mentality that some of those people have. I live more like what a Christian should live like than most Christians that I know (in my opinion). Christianity = closed mind = Republican Party = no new ideas = destruction = cult = contempt for other faiths and belief systems = hypocrisy. (Generally ... not always). The human mind has a gift for twisting their faith to suit their needs. Some people hide behind their Christianity as a mechanism to cope with their own defects and character flaws (i.e. they are a closeted gay, Republican congressman that is anti-gay in their policy making or maybe they're just a plain, garden variety-criminal, con-artist, etc.) In summary, your Christian faith doesn't make you better than me or anybody else and it certainly isn't a guaranteed ticket to heaven. You make your own heaven and hell right here on Earth and the product of your efforts/good deeds is the true mark that you leave behind. I think that "God" would want individuals that think independently ... for themselves. I hope that makes sense. Take care!

Mike, 02.07.2009, 4:16pm #

Science is a cult, just look at global warming! The science that supports it is bullshit, just like the science that "supports" (really?) evolution.
The bacteria at chernobyl have not transformed into human beings, but give a few trillion years and they will right fumerous?
There is no valid scientific evidence that supports evolution.
Mike, please go to www.evolutionisdead.com if you want the truth about evolution.

Fumerous, do something useful and go get Tim at the pub. Tell him to go home.

REV_HOLY_FIRE, 04.07.2009, 11:41pm #

REV_HOLY_FIRE, science isn't a cult ... science is a legitimate and necessary part of a good school's curriculum and is the reason you and I are having this conversation. Science can be divided into two parts; theory and fact. Facts can be tested and re-tested with the same result. Theories can be supported very strongly through facts and the scientific process. If you fall into the camp that believes that global warming isn't a result of man's intervention on our environment, then I'll say a prayer to the God of Science to save your soul. Religion injected into politics holds back the progress of the world and seriously interferes with research that could solve many problems and save many lives.

Mike, 05.07.2009, 1:09am #

REV_HOLY_FIRE, I investigated the www.evolutionisdead.com website per your suggestion and I must say that it's one of the biggest piles of bullsh!t I've ever seen. Do me a favor and send me some of the pot you're smoking! I'm outta here, I've got better things to do with my time than beat my head against a brick wall. If your educators failed you the first time, there is nothing I can do. Good luck! I hope you haven't procreated and I hope you don't vote!

Mike, 05.07.2009, 1:19am #

Hey Mike,
sure, I'll send you some of the ganja. Send me your address and I'll ship it to you.
You sound like a NY Jets fan.

I voted for Arnold in the california state election.

BTW, Chargers rule!!!
Adios, ciao, don't come back.

RHF, 07.07.2009, 12:14am #

Please show me the test results for evolution so that I can replicate them.

Fumerous?

RHF, 07.07.2009, 12:19am #

REV_HOLY_FIRE, Ha you actually made me laugh! No, I'm not a Jets fan ... I live in football country though. I have Ohio State in my backyard. 30% of our town's populace are Bengals fans, 50% are Browns fans, 9% Colts and 9% are rabid Shitsburg, I mean Pittsburgh Steelers fans. That leaves 2% to suck hind tit (Chargers fans). I happen to be a Browns fan. I have high (not the Californian type of high) hopes that the Browns will actually be able to compete before this decade is over. Down in Bizarro land (Cincinnati) they actually have a "Creation Museum"! Holy shit, (if I can use the word "Holy"), talk about dumbing people down!! If you were going to leave your nest in San Diego, that sounds like the place for you! Too bad the Bengals totally blow mud! Ciao!

Mike, 08.07.2009, 9:11pm #

RHF, you obviously DO NOT UNDERSTAND the importance of the events at Chernobyl. The bacteria have shown that evolution of the human race is ENTIRELY POSSIBLE on a cellular and practical level, and that COMPLETELY DIFFERENT TYPES OF LIFE EVOLVING is completely possible. Sure, bacteria evolved into bacteria, but then again, humans share 98% of our DNA sequence with monkeys (insert humans = monkeys joke here). It's basically an example of evolution on a similar scale, and completely 100% observeable. If you don't think it was evolution, feel free to attempt to provide an alternate hypothesis.
Anyways, for the "test results for evolution" (as if there is only one type, instead of thousands), here's one of them:

Aim: To find an example of evolution in action through bacterial evolution.
Equipment required:
-A highly radioactive area created by an accidental (preferably, don't make your own) nuclear meltdown
-Some bacteria which are already adapted to an area close to the nuclear reactor before the meltdown (but not exposed to any radiation)
-20 years of not disturbing the radiated areas
-A remote-controlled robot capable of gathering samples of bacteria, as well as being able to get to the site where the bacteria is, and then back out.
-Your own genetics lab etc, you'll want to test your results (and you'll need to store your bacteria etc, so make sure it meets all the normal standards)
Method:
1. Make sure the bacteria are well adapted to the area around the reactor already, we don't want any unnecessary complications
2. Let the nuclear reactor melt down (WARNING: DANGEROUS, ALSO HIGHLY UNETHICAL, so I recommend not doing this experiment unless you know in advance that a nuclear reactor will unavoidably melt down, and/or can clean up the mess & radiation afterwards)
3. Wait 20 years. The bacteria should be exposed to the gamma radiation during this time.
4. Get the remote controlled robot mentioned above, and collect a sample of the 'new' bacteria, and bring it back. This bacteria should be a completely new species, and takes energy from gamma rays/radiation (generally, they're the same thing).

There's your test, I doubt you can ethically replicate it though. If you can ethically replicate it, feel free to try, just make sure to wear safety glasses (and hazmat suits).
;)

Numerous, 11.07.2009, 10:46am #

You still don't get humans, Numerous. You just can't take it, can you.
Humans did not come from lower life forms.
Random chance and few quadrillion years, you can get anything.
Mike, glad I made you laugh. Where's that creation museum? I like the Browns, hope they do well next season.
San Diego is the greatest USA.
Real football is american football not "faggy" UK soccer.

RHF, 11.07.2009, 11:40pm #

Fumerous, if I left this website, you would cry. I'm entertaining and defeat atheists in arguments. You can't beat me!
Keep trying. Humans were created by a higher intelligence. God is amazing!

Do something useful and help Tim get home from the pub.

RHF, 11.07.2009, 11:44pm #

RHF, the Creation Museum is actually in Petersburg, KY (Cincy area) ... here's a hyperlink to get you there: http://creationmuseum.org/plan-your-visit/map/

Humans did evolve ... we weren't put here by a white-haired, blue-eyed deity. The science (Chemistry, Physics, Geology, Biology and Mathematics) really does strongly support evolution. It's really not even a theory in my mind. You know, if aliens visited earth tomorrow to "enlighten" us ... that is to say that we are one of many intelligent species that had evolved throughout the galaxy, what would you do? Would you still be a member of the Earth is Flat Society? Is technology, education and discovery all a hoax? Is your God better than my God? What would you say if and when microbial life is discovered on Mars (in your lifetime)? What is your convenient explanation for that? Don't be surprised when that happens, because it is possible. Life actually thrives in the most inhospitable of environments. One again, a product of evolution. I'm just curious.

Mike, 13.07.2009, 5:24pm #

Thanks Mike. Hey, the earth is flat, just look outside your house :)

Microbial life on Mars? Why didn't they evolve into humans?

Aliens? it's possible, something happened at Roswell in 1947 (what is was, I don't know).
I'm sure Fumerous and Tim see UFO's every night after 20 Kilkenny's :-) and a few reefers.

Seriously, life may exist elsewhere in the universe. If Aliens land on earth, then there are credibility issues with the bible.

On another note:

When the football season is on, I will post my picks against the spread. Every Monday you will have some crispy, crunchy cash in your wallet.

Cheers

REV_HOLY_FIRE

RHF, 14.07.2009, 1:11am #

RHF, Life, if it is present on Mars, might not evolve into complex organisms with a highly evolved nervous system for the same reason that life 3 miles under the ocean near a volcanic vent on the ocean floor hasn't evolved into something humanoid ... the environment just won't allow it to happen. Conditions might be sufficient for life, but not for anything beyond tubeworms and bacteria. I hope that helps. There is usually a logical explanation for why life looks or adapts the way that it does. Life has made it in some pretty odd places; geothermal vents, 25,000 feet below the ocean surface, the deepest, darkest caves and conditions so cold that no human would suvive more than a few hours without shelter. I can appreciate any persons interest in/asking the most profound questions; Why are we here? Is there a reason for my life/any life? Is there a higher power or consciousness? My mind is open to any reasonable explanation, however, I don't feel compelled as some people do to "take it on faith". I think it's OK to question and ask questions. If there is a Christian version of God who actually cares about my life and requires me to have faith and not have doubt or ask questions and if the price for having an open mind and being highly skeptical about religion is to burn in hell for all eternity, then so be it. That is the god of frightened, uneducated people that don't have the mental capacity to deal with the unknown and unanswered. I suspect the truth about our existance is that we are a very small part of the scheme of things and that we are in our intellectual infancy. That's my opinion for what it's worth.

Mike, 14.07.2009, 1:11pm #

Thanks Mike, it does help. Who knows, maybe your right. Your definitely the nicest atheist on this website. Thanks for helping me understand your point of view and
for treating me with respect. You are a class act. Tim and Fumerous are nowhere in your league (probably Bills fans :).
I will always believe in Jesus and if this fantasy (your opinion) comforts me, then so be it.
This may be a coping mechanism that I and other believers need in order to function in this lifetime.
What's wrong with that?

Cheers

REV_HOLY_FIRE

PS. Browns vs Chargers , AFC championship game.

RHF, 17.07.2009, 12:35am #

RHF, you're not committing a crime by being religious, however, what I find objectional about religion is what people have done in the name of religion. This includes genocide, starting wars and the destruction of opposing cultures. The people who believe in the tenants of Islam believe their faith has moral superiority over yours and vice versa. You can see where that has taken us. What I find the most objectionable about religion is that some people feel it is their duty to "spread the gospel". I don't want to be sold or converted by force into a belief system. I know the difference between right and wrong ... I don't need a religious crutch for that. Society has other mechanisms for keeping people in check ... the rule of law and non-religious organizations that do great work. I will do my own thinking, thank you very much and I won't push my beliefs on you. I also find it objectionable that there is an anti-intellectual, anti-academic movement in our country amongst some religious and political groups. Please don't stop teaching science, which is legitimate study, in publicly funded schools and please don't remove books from publicly funded librarys because they might challenge your religious beliefs. That's all ... there is no harm in your being a Christian other than that. If Christianity gives you peace and comfort and helps you to obey the law, then I can co-exist with you. There are over six billion people on a ball that's 24,900 miles in circumference and 70% covered with salt water. We need education and science to solve some of our problems. Wouldn't you agree? I don't want to live in a theocracy.

Mike, 17.07.2009, 9:26pm #

You know cocaine helps some people cope with life, does that mean we should let them use it all they like?
And by the way, I'm sure I'm really really nasty to you, but to be honest, you're the one saying I'm a drunk etc etc.
By the way, would Jesus have posted something like the following if he were here today?
Your post:
You still don't get humans, Numerous. You just can't take it, can you.
Humans did not come from lower life forms.
Random chance and few quadrillion years, you can get anything.
Mike, glad I made you laugh. Where's that creation museum? I like the Browns, hope they do well next season.
San Diego is the greatest USA.
Real football is american football not "faggy" UK soccer.
Tell me if Jesus would post this.

Numerous, 18.07.2009, 8:34am #

Fumerous, answer is yes.
Damn right, San Diego is the greatest city in the United States!!!
Chargers rule!!!
I know Jesus cheers for the chargers, he told me so. Shawn Merriman is back this season.
Soccer is UK losers who don't understand sports.
They go to soccer games to get drunk and start fights.

Please go back to the pub with Tim and get drunk. That's what you UK folks are good at :)
Enjoy your liver while you still have one.

RHF, 18.07.2009, 9:32pm #

That just shows how little you know about me, RHF. I don't even live in Europe, let alone UK.
Calling any sport "faggy" is pretty dam disrespectful about a game which is pretty much a matter of preference over other games (like american football).
Calling people in the UK "losers" is a pretty rude generalisation. Especially when you remember that you almost definitely have some relatives there. Assuming an entire country are losers is a pretty moronic thing to do. If you didn't think it through, then you're also an asshole. Jesus sure wouldn't, that's for sure.

Numerous, 19.07.2009, 4:45am #

That just shows how little you know about me, RHF. I don't even live in Europe, let alone UK.
Calling any sport "faggy" is pretty dam disrespectful about a game which is pretty much a matter of preference over other games (like american football).
Calling people in the UK "losers" is a pretty rude generalisation. Especially when you remember that you almost definitely have some relatives there. Assuming an entire country are losers is a pretty moronic thing to do. If you didn't think it through, then you're also an asshole. Jesus sure wouldn't, that's for sure.

Numerous, 19.07.2009, 4:51am #

Sarah Palin is a certifiable moron. We're all screwed if somebody with her intellect ever gets to the highest office in this land again! I really believe that she believes that men were saddling up a brontosaurus once upon a time. Scary.

Mike, 11.08.2009, 12:39am #

Don't worry, anyone who's 'liberal' will notice her lack of intelligence, and anyone who's 'conservative' will probably believe all the BS rumours about her. She isn't even that conservative anyways when it's convenient).
Win-win situation.

Numerous, 13.08.2009, 8:18am #

Im loling at the huge flame war going on here.
god believers will never change their beliefs, atheists will never change theirs ether.
this is all pointless

anonymous, 17.01.2010, 3:56am #

It takes more faith to believe in evolution than it does than to believe that there is a creator. Science has already proved that life does not come from something that is not alive. Maggots do not just suddenly appear from rotting meat but come from flies. Amino acids which are the building blocks of life do not just appear due to atmospheric conditions or whatever other devices that evolutionists surmise. If you take a rock and submit it to billions of years of "evolution" it will still be a rock and not alive. So can any evolutionist tell me how life came about when supposedly the universe was formed by a big bang of lifeless matter?

JC, 16.03.2010, 8:45am #

I just got back from lacrosse practice at 11 and came across your site. It got me thinking about religion, and i've started to work on my theory of religion and how it shouldn't be something that everyone needs to believe in, but should be respected by all. I'm 16 years old so my writing ability isn't perfect. I'll include my opening paragraph. I plan for this to be about 20 pages long. If you would like the finished product i would happily send it to you. I'm a devout catholic but have lost alot of faith in the church, not God. So I'm going to try and address these problems that I feel strongly about in this paper.

A Theoretical Response
Due to the Necessity For Change In Religion

Jayson R. Knafel
3/16/10

Now more than ever people are losing faith in religion. They are turning to more suitable route such as atheism, due to the fact that religion is contradicting, instills violence, and is labeled with negativity due to extremism. Christianity will be the predominate religion that is examined. Many people today feel that if they can create a website, they can preach their interpretations of the bible, and force it upon other people. God wants us to spread his word. But don't force it upon people and don't instill a prior judgment on others. The fact is that if you do want to gain followers for God, you will need to respect the people you are trying to convert. Respect their wishes not to convert. People have their own right to make their choices, not you. You can advise them in the correct path, but in the end if the choice doesn't affect you, you should have no part in making that decision, unless asked.

This isn't addressing your site, but it is something i would like you to read. The cruelty that you used towards religion, saddened me. Religion causes sadness and destruction, yet it also creates hope and builds better people for society as a whole.

You can't change people. I don't want to change you. I can only educate and allow you to make your decision, which i feel obliged to respect.

Jay

Jay, 17.03.2010, 3:51am #

Classic quote:

"God made me Atheist. Who are you to question his wisdom?"

;)

Josh, 18.03.2010, 3:24am #

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Aaron, 14.09.2010, 7:57am #

why don't people understand that humans are evolving as we speak,and that if they knew biology, they would understand that species can mate with other species, and sometimes the genes mix in such a way that a new species is created. On rare occasions, the species can then mate with the species that just made it to create a population of the new species.

16 year old Kid, 05.02.2011, 9:51pm #

How many people on this earth didn't evolve from a sperm and an egg? It's as plain as the nose on your face.

Tryreason, 21.05.2012, 2:00am #

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